User talk:CEBT64

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Hallo [12 April 2009]

Hallo, welcome to WeRelate. I noticed that you caught an error on my Person Page for Person:Boukjen Meinderts (1), I appreciate you fixing it! How do you connect to this family line? I looks like I/we may have a bit of merging to do for Family:Gerben Pijters and Boukjen Meinderts (1) and Family:Gerben Pijters and Boujken Meinderts (1) as a result. I can look more at this later today or tomorrow.

If you are from the Netherlands, I want to direct your attention to our new Portal:Netherlands (Nederland) and our WeRelate talk:Forum (Nederlands). Let me know if I can help answer any questions you may have about WeRelate.--Jennifer (JBS66) 09:21, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Hello Jennifer,

Thank you for your message. As you can see, I am completely new to WeRelate, and I am still finding my way around the website.

I do live in The Netherlands. I have been researching the TALMA surname (worldwide) for about 17 years now. My maiden name is Talma and I am related to Minke Meinderts Talma, the wife of Johannes Swart (she is my first cousin 3x removed).

I've got a website (which isn't updated much, I'm afraid) at http://www.talma.nl/en . Please go to "Friesland" (on the left) and then to "Descendants of Doede Gabbes" for my family tree. I do have a lot more up to date information in my family tree program though, and I could send you a copy of that if you're interested.

I hope to add a lot more information to the WeRelate pages in future.

Kind regards,

Sylvia--CEBT64 09:44, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

It is wonderful to have you here at WeRelate. My huband's great-grandparents were Johannes Swart and Minke Talma. Their son Gerrit, was his grandfather. I live in the U.S., very close to where Johannes and Minke emmigrated to. Makes me think that I should take a trip up to Whitinsville, Massachusetts, to get some copies of certificates and gravestones to add to WeRelate. I'm not going to be online too much today, but I'm certain that we will be conversing more in the future! Kindly, Jennifer Swart--Jennifer (JBS66) 10:58, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Date format [13 April 2009]

Hello, I see you have been up to quite a bit of work here! In addition to being a contributor at WeRelate, I am also a volunteer administrator. I noticed the dates on your pages are in the 01-04-1900 format. For a variety of reasons, we need dates to be expressed in day month year; e.g., 19 Mar 1874 (or 19 Mrt 1874 for Dutch). This helps to prevent ambiguity, and also helps as we develop a GEDCOM exporting program in the future.

Thank you for your understanding! Please feel free to let me know if you have any questions.--Jennifer (JBS66) 13:39, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Hello Jennifer,

Thanks for letting me know ! I will change the format a.s.a.p. !

Adding the right Sources took some working out, but I think I am getting the hang of it now.

One question: I have been trying to add images, but I can't seem to find them once I saved the page ! For example: I went to the family page of Sijbren Talma and Baukje Wiersma; went to "Edit" at the top, then "Add image" to upload the photo from my computer. That seemed to go okay: I got the message that the photo had been uploaded successfully. But when I pressed "return to Edit the Family Page of Sijbren Talma and Baukje Wiersma, there was nothing in the "Image" field ... and I can't see the photo either .. pffff .. I tried to do the same again and I then got the message that a photo with that name already existed and did I want to overwrite the previous version ! .. It's all a bit confusing at the moment. Maybe you can help ?

Thanks in advance.

Sylvia--CEBT64 13:48, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Images:There are two different ways you can go about this.

1. You can go to the page, click Edit, and then scroll down a bit until you see Images. Click the link add image here. Then, I believe it will put in the image title for you. However, since you've already uploaded your picture.... option 2 would be best.
2. You can upload pictures from the blue menu bar, like you did. Then, you need to type in the exact image title into the same add image field.

I think the easiest way to find an image you recently uploaded is to click on Admin and then New Images from the blue bar. Click on the link for your image, and copy the title. Paste this title into your family page. You may have already seen this, but here is our Image Portal - it has some helpful links. To make it easy - here is your image.

Regarding sources - yes - they can be a bit confusing! Many of them do not currently follow our naming conventions. Dallan is planning on renaming them some time later this year. However, I've renamed many of the sources for Friesland already. I see you noticed the Burgerlijke Stand pages - they are done now. I want to rename the Kerkelijke registers soon. If you go to Tresoar pre-1811, you see they have a DBTL # - these correspond to the Kerkelijke register pages, but they all do need to be renamed to add the place names to the title.--Jennifer (JBS66) 14:08, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Thank you for the explanation: I will give it another go soon.

Regarding the Sources: yes, I am gratefully using your "Burgerlijke Stand pages" !

Thanks for your help.

Sylvia--CEBT64 14:12, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Source Pages [14 April 2009]

Hello Sylvia,

I see that you were able to add images to your person and family pages. They look great!

I'm going through some of the recently added sources and I noticed a few that you created. The first is Source:Death Notice / Overlijdensbrief. I'm assuming this would be akin to an obituary that is posted in a newspaper. We don't usually have source pages for a general concept such as this. What we would do is have a source page for the newspaper, and then add the word Overlijdensbrief into the Record Name field on the person/family page. There is an example of this on Wytske Uitterdijk's page.

This brings me to a second source: Source:Stichting Digitaal Archief Leeuwarder Courant and Source:Netherlands, Friesland, Leeuwarden. Archief Leeuwarder Courant and Source:Leeuwarder Courant. I think these are really all the same source - the Leeuwarder Courant. The digital archief is just a means of viewing the original/primary document - the newspaper article. My thought is to rename Source:Leeuwarder Courant to Netherlands, Friesland, Leeuwarden. Leeuwarder Courant (I've been procrastinating on this anyway!!) Then, we could add the URL for the archief under the repository section of that page.

One additional thought - I was wondering if you would be interested in adding the WeRelate talk:Forum (Nederlands) to your watchlist? While there are currently few users from the Netherlands, I was thinking of starting a discussion about renaming the Kerkelijke source pages. I would love to have your opinions on this when I do!--Jennifer (JBS66) 09:36, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Hi Jennifer,

I've added the WeRelate talk: Forum (Nederlands) to my watchlist, so I won't miss a thing ;-)

About my Source: Death Notice / Overlijdensbrief. I will try to describe this document as best as I can. I believe it's a typical Dutch custom: when someone dies, we send a death notice or "overlijdensbrief" to their family and friends. It is not an obituary; it's a black edged (in the old days, nowadays we use grey) letter, which contains in effect a copy of a death notice you would put in the newspaper. It is sent, in a black/grey edged envelope, in the mail, to let family and friends know that their loved one has died, and when/where the funeral/cremation will take place. So, it's not an obituary, and it is not a newspaper article, hence my "new" source. I will try and upload an example under Images called "Overlijdensbrief".

I totally agree with the naming of the other source. The name "Source: Netherlands, Friesland, Leeuwarden. Leeuwarder Courant" describes it perfectly, and adding the URL for the website completes it.

I think you've got quite a job on your hands, trying to sort out the naming of the sources ! I noticed that there are quite a lot of people who put a "mysource" under "source", so you have a lot of sources for one particular unique document going in the general sources. Trying to establish some good guidelines would be a big help. I think the way you started to organise them is a good way of doing it: country first, then county/province, then place, then the name of the repository, the sort of document/register, the years concerned, and the URL under the repository section.

Kind regards, Sylvia--CEBT64 16:50, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Pictures from erfskipterpdoarpen.nl [19 April 2009]

Sylvia,

I came across some wonderful old pictures at this website: [1]. There is one here for Hendrik Meinderts Talma. There is another I found for my line [2] that shows my husband's grandparents! Do you have any familiarity with this site? I was searching for a way to obtain copies of these pictures or permission to use them here on WeRelate.

regards, --Jennifer (JBS66) 12:40, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Hi Jennifer,

I know of the website, but I haven't looked at it for quite a while. I hadn't seen the photos you mentioned: they are wonderful !

On the Homepage, bottom right, you can click the "Contact Us" link. Maybe you can use that to ask about permission/copyright.

Sylvia--CEBT64 12:56, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Gerrit Swart and Bontje Halbesma (2) [22 May 2009]

Hallo Sylvia, nice to see your additions to the Talma pages this morning. I was interested to see your information on the Person:Klaas Talma (1) page. I've only just learned about huwelijksbijlage this week from another Dutch WeRelate user.

I have a question for you about the marriage for my husband's grandparents (Family:Gerrit Swart and Bontje Halbesma (2)). I went looking around for where on earth I found the date of 26 Apr 1928, because Tresoar ends at 1922. Well, it looks like I may have found it years ago on a website - where you gave that date! Small world huh? Well, I'm wondering if you have any documents that you might be able to forward me such as their marriage certificate or the supplements. One small puzzle that I'm trying to solve is that my father-in-law said Gerrit was in the calvary. I thought that perhaps his marriage certificate might provide a clue.

On another note, I made a trip to 2 cemeteries in Northbridge, Massachusetts last weekend. I was surprised to find only one Talma, uncle Krol's wife Wytske. If you know of others buried within that vicinity, I'd be happy to make a visit for some photos.--Jennifer (JBS66) 06:49, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Hi Jennifer,

The "huwelijksbijlagen" can be really useful in providing extra information. They can include birth certificates of the bride and groom, death certificates of parents or former spouses, militairy records, declarations of acquaintance (in which several people declare to personally know the person getting married; this was necessary when their births were not registered at the time), etc.

As you say, the marriage records in Tresoar end in 1922. I got the marriage date for Gerrit and Bontje from somebody else (by e-mail), several years ago. I don't have the records myself. However, I will try and contact the person who gave me the information to find out how he got the date. In June I will also pay a visit to Tresoar in Leeuwarden again. Sometimes their records in the actual archive are more recent than the ones they publish online. I will have a look if they have the marriage records for Gerrit and Bontje on microfilm or fiche. If they do, then there is a good chance that Gerrit's militairy records are there as well. If there is anything else you want me to look up while I am there, please tell me.

I thought your photos of the graves of Atze and Wytske and Gerrit and Bontje were wonderful. I have saved them to my computer.

Kind regards,

Sylvia--CEBT64 07:25, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Canada - US border crossings [26 June 2009]

Hello Sylvia,

I was talking to my father-in-law this weekend. He said "Did you know my Uncle Krol lived in Canada before he came to the U.S.?" Well, that opened up a few discoveries this week!

I found the 1915 border crossing of Atze Krol, Wytske Talma and children. When I took a closer look this morning, I saw that later on that same page was a Talma family. Turns out it is Wytske's brother Hessel and his family. The snippets that I could upload here are not the best quality to say the least! If you would like, I can e-mail you the full 2 pages that are much better quality. Vriendelijke groetjes,--Jennifer (JBS66) 08:53, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Hi Jennifer,

For the first time in weeks I've been adding some information to the family tree, and guess which family's info I've added to ? Right: Hessel Talma and Pietje Knoop ! Isn't that weird ?

How wonderful to find the border crossings for those two families ! I had no idea either that they ever went to Canada. I would very much like a copy of the pages.

Am I allowed to give my e-mail address in this "Talk" section ?

I've got some copies of records to send to you too. I've been to Tresoar in Leeuwarden yesterday, to have a look at the "huwelijksbijlagen" of Gerrit Swart's and Bontje Halbesma's wedding. I did find them, but unfortunately, there were no militairy papers for Gerrit. What I did copy however, was an extract of the birth register for the birth of Gerrit and one for Bontje, an extract of the death register for the death of Bontje's mother, Grietje Veenstra, a request to announce the forthcoming wedding of Gerrit and Bontje in the gemeente Dantumadeel, and (what I thought was the best bit): a document signed by Johannes Swart and Minke Talma, granting their permission for the marriage of Gerrit and Bontje ! This last document is in Dutch, but signed by the Consul of The Netherlands in Boston and two American witnesses.

I still have to scan the documents for you, but I will do this as soon as possible. Just let me know where I can send them to.

Met vriendelijke groet, Sylvia--CEBT64 12:55, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Sylvia,

What an interesting coincidence - that really is weird! In addition to the 1915 border crossing, I've also found their arrival in New Brunswick, Canada in 1913. What I'll do is send you an e-mail via the More-->Email this user link up above. That way, your address will be kept private.

I am so excited to hear of what you were able to find at Tresoar!! This is so very kind of you! I'm curious on the last document as to why there was U.S. involvement... I wonder if they began their wedding planning while Gerrit was still over here?

Well, thank you again and I will be in touch via e-mail!--Jennifer (JBS66) 06:19, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

Hi Jennifer,

The document signed by the consul was made because Gerrit's parents were already living in Whitinsville, but Gerrit and Bontje were living in Birdaard, Ferweradeel, Friesland.

For father Johannes Swart I found this note: had to ask permission for his marriage to Minke, because he was in the army at the time (1st Regiment Infantry).

Hope this helps.

Met vriendelijke groet, Sylvia--CEBT64 07:09, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

Leeuwarden [21 November 2009]

Hello Sylvia,

I wanted to let you know what all the Leeuwarden edits were about :-) I seem to have made an error when I created the Friesland place pages last year. I correctly named places like Bolsward and Sneek, but I somehow created Leeuwarden, Leeuwarden, Friesland, Netherlands. I deleted this place page, and moved all references over to the more accurate Leeuwarden, Friesland, Netherlands. Also, WeRelate recently renamed their source pages, so I also corrected the Leeuwarder Courant and those links as well. Well, I hope things are going well for you - and one more thing.... Happy Birthday!--Jennifer (JBS66) 15:55, 20 November 2009 (EST)

• Jarig? Aha. Gefeliciteerd dan! Leo.