Person:Charles Grist (5)

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Charles Fisher Grist
m. 27 Aug 1797
  1. Elizabeth Grist1798 - Aft 1861
  2. William Grist1803 - 1882
  3. Charles Fisher Grist1804 - Abt 1877
  4. Ann Grist1807 -
  5. John Fisher Grist1810 - Abt 1848
  • HCharles Fisher Grist1804 - Abt 1877
  • WLouisa Minty1806 - 1841
m. 23 May 1824
  1. Thomas Fisher Grist1825 - Bef 1891
  2. Henry Grist1826 - 1827
  3. Mary Fisher Grist1828 -
  4. Louisa Grist1831 -
  5. Matilda Grist1832 -
  6. Emily GristAbt 1833 - 1835
  7. Emily Fisher Grist1835 -
  8. Jane Fisher Grist1837 -
  9. Sarah Fisher Grist1840 -
m. 25 Jul 1842
  1. Henry Charles Grist1843 -
  2. Julia GristAbt 1848 - Abt 1867
  3. John Henry GristAbt 1849 -
  4. Charles Fisher GristAbt 1858 - Abt 1922
Facts and Events
Name Charles Fisher Grist
Gender Male
Birth[14] 1804 Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltshire, Englandestimated
Christening[1][3] 28 Apr 1810 Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, England
Residence? Bef 1825 Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, EnglandLock Street
Marriage 23 May 1824 Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, EnglandMarriage of Grist, Charles Fisher
to Louisa Minty
Occupation[1] From 1825 to 1833 Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, EnglandMillwright
Residence[1] From 1826 to 1828 Regents Place, Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, EnglandRegents Place
Residence? Bet 1830 and 1839 Trowbridge Rd. Bradford on Avon
Occupation[2][4] Bet 1834 and 1848 Three Horse Shoes Inn, St. Margarets Street, Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, EnglandPublican of Inn with garden St. Margarets Street
Residence[2][4] From 1840 to 1848 St. Margarets St.(Frome Road) Bradford on Avon Wiltshire England
Marriage 25 Jul 1842 St Marys, Redcliffe, Bristol, Gloucestershire, Englandto Caroline Elizabeth Morgan
Residence[5][6] From 1849 to 1862 next to Rose and Crown Linply Stoke Bradford on Avon Wiltshire England
Residence[7] 1871 12 Kingsmead Terrace Bath Somerset England
Death[13] Abt Mar 1877 Bath, Somerset, England


Contents

Charles Fisher Grist

Birth date

There is some uncertainty about the birth date of Charles Fisher Grist. There is no uncertainty about who his parents were, Charles Grist, cordwainer, of Bradford on Avon and Mary Fisher his wife. Most children of Charles and Mary had the middle name Fisher, as did several of their grandchildren.

There is a record of the baptism of Charles in Bradford on Avon 28 April 1810, fourteen years before his marriage, so obviously he was born sometime before 1808.[3] In the 1841 census he claims to be 40[4] implying his birth was between 1801 and 1805. His parents fist child Elizabeth was born in 1798 and another son, William was born in June 1803, it is not clear if Charles Fisher was the oldest son or if William was.

Later census records confuse this matter further, in 1851 he claims to be 37,[5] making William the oldest son and implying Charles was 10 when he married. In 1861 he claims to be 50,[6] which could be explained by the fact he had a wife of 35, so he lied. By 1871 he was back near the first date as he claimed to be 72.[7] Fitting his date in with his siblings and knowing he was not the oldest son as he did not inherit the Mill, 1804 seems a good estimate of birth year.

Early Life

Not much is recorded of his early life, he presumably lived with his parents in Lock Street, Bradford on Avon. His mother had brought some wealth to the family as she inherited Greenland Middle Mill in about 1820. Greenland Middle Mill was occupied by a Thomas Spackman between 1821 and 1854. In 1834 ownership of the mill was described in rate books as by ‘John Fisher’s representatives’.[3]

The Electoral Register of 1832 gives Charles Grist (of Regents Street) owning the freehold to a Greenland house. In 1837 both he and William Grist (of Greenland) are listed as freehold owners of a mill occupied by Thomas Spackman. In 1850 &1856 Charles Grist (of St Margarets Street) is given as the only Grist freehold name for Greenland Mill.[3] It is unclear if the Charles Grist mentioned in these documents is Charles Fisher Grist or his father, other evidence below points to it being the father.

As three sons of Charles and Mary, and some grandchildren, were to become millwrights,wheelwrights and later engineers it is reasonable to assume that they were apprentices at Greenland Middle Mill, though there is no documentary evidence for this.

Marriage

On 23 May 1824 Charles married Louisa Minty in Bradford on Avon.[3] They appear to have lived in Trowbridge Road, Bradford on Avon up to about 1834 at which time Charles seems to have changed profession to being a Publican at the Three Horseshoes Inn, he also worked as a millwright from the same address. At this time they had 7 living children, and at least one more was born at the Inn.
Children of Charles Fisher Grist and Louisa Minty.
Thomas Fisher Grist, born 27 May 1825, 1841 was an millwright apprentice in 1841.[4] He later became a millwright then a machine maker. He died in 1891.
Henry Grist, born February 1827, died 21 November 1827 age 9 months.[8]
Louisa Grist, baptised 25 April 1831 in Bradford on Avon.[3]
Mary Grist, born in 1831 in Bradford on Avon, became a domestic servant in Bath, 1851, she may have married in 1859.[4]
Matilda Grist, baptised 21 April 1832.[3]
Emily Grist, Baptised 1 January 1834,[3] died 19 January 1835.[9]
Emily Fisher Grist, baptised 27 November 1835.[3]
Jane Fisher Grist, baptised 27 June 1837, was a dressmaker.[3]
Sarah Fisher Grist, born about June 1840,[10] baptised 1 July 1840,[3] was a charwoman in Bath in 1861.

His wife Louisa died in 1841, just before the census. Charles is listed as Publican with the seven children, also living with them are his wifes parents, James and Elizabeth Minty, both 60 years old. There is an Anne Amor listed as Innkeeper. [4] It seems that Charles now had people to care for his children and run the Inn which gave him time to find a replacement wife.

In 1842 he married Caroline Elizabeth Morgan in Bristol,[11] and took up residence in Limply Stoke, a village just down river and canal from Bradford on Avon. He started working as a wheelwright from his home next to the Rose and Crown Inn, Limply Stoke.
Children of Charles Fisher Grist and Elizabeth Morgan.
Henry Charles baptised 20 September 1843.[12] Apparently died before 1851.
Julia Grist born 1848, died in Bath about May 1867.
John Henry Grist, born 1849, became an engineer fitter in Bath, later emigrated to Australia.
Charles Fisher Grist, born 1858, disappeared from view for a while, possibly working on the canal and later ships from Bristol. Reappeared as a sailor in Cardiff where he married and stayed.

There were apparently four more children who were either stillborn or infant deaths. Research continues.

In 1851 the youngest daughter from his first marriage was living with him and his new wife, the rest of the family seemed to be abandoned to live with grandparents or make their own way in the world.

Sometime in the 1860's Elizabeth may have admitted to Wiltshire Lunatic Asylum in Devizes. There are several census records that seem to show she was there about 25 years until she died. The problem with this theory is the ages of inmates with the name Elizabeth Grist do not fit and there were at least 3 other people with that name living nearby. There is no definitive date for her death, in 1881 her father was living in the house where Charles and Elizabeth used to live and there is no record found so far for any of the family in 1881. Later Charles seems to have abandoned this family as well, the youngest child was found when he married in Cardiff, Wales some years later. It was also thought that Charles lived with one of his married daughters, Matilda, in Bath before he died.

Business and Work

At the time he was living in Limpley Stoke the family mills in Bradford were owned by Charles Grist of St. Margarets Road in Bradford, which must be his father, the other owner was listed as William the brother of Charles which implies William was the oldest son.

Charles did of course learn a trade as he was a Millwright, the equivalent of a good IT training in the 20th century, though he was not listed as such in the 1830 Bradford-on-Avon Commercial Directory.
In January 1832 however Charles and Job Wastfield were listed as bankrupts dissolving their partnership at Greenlands mill due to debts on both sides.

Charles was listed in the Bradford-on-Avon Commercial Directory 1842 as a millwright and engineer from Frome Road and as Publican of the Three Horseshoes Inn, Frome Road. Also listed are John and Job Wastfield, John was based in Frome Road as well as Charles so they may have worked together or been partners, using outbuilding of the Inn as workshop. None of these three were listed in the 1848 Bradford-on-Avon Commercial Directory.

As publican of the Three Horseshoes Inn as well as being a Millwright Charles should have been quite well off.
The Inn should have made money, it was the first Inn people came to from the South and the back of the Inn opened onto the new railway station yard. There were a few drawbacks, the area around the Inn was populated by paupers, the Poor House was opposite and the Railway company had gone bankrupt after building the station, the rails were not laid for another 40 years. On 11 and 18 May 1843, just before he remarried Charles was in the newspapers again. This time a solicitor was dealing with the sale of stock from the Inn to pay debts.

After his second marriage he returned to his trade of Millwright, perhaps hoping the large mill in Limpley Stoke would give him work. The mill had once been the property of Henry Fisher, a relative of his mother. The company that owned the mill, Saunders, Fanner & Company of Bradford on Avon went bankrupt the same year, then it was destroyed by fire before being rebuilt as the Avon Rubber Company after Charles died.[Freshford website]

Charles might have regretted that his brother William had inherited the mill and lived in the house there, but William ended up a pauper in the Union Workhouse, Westwood with Iford, between Bradford and Lymply Stoke after his wife died, he died there in 1882. Charles was still working in 1871, still a Millwright but now in Bath, where he was lodging at 12 Kingsmead Terrace.[7]


Conclusion

Charles died About March 1877 in Bath,[13] probably working up to the end, he was lodging with John Rice and his family, also in the household was Thomas Rice with his wife Matilda from Bradford on Avon. Extensive research has concluded that this Matilda is not his daughter. He seems to have died alone with no contact with his family.

Thomas Fisher Grist left the area soon after his mothers death, he became a machine maker in Wigton, Cumberland, he married and had two sons, one died within a year the other founded a Grist dynasty in the North East of England, up until the end of the 20th century almost every Grist there is descended from him.

Charles Fisher Grist started a new family group in South Wales.

Emily stayed in Bradford on Avon, perhaps the only one of his children that did.

John Henry built a new life for himself in Australia.

The other children are an ongoing research project.

References
  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 Wiltshire Family History Society. Wiltshire Baptisms, 1530-1886
    Mary Fisher Grist, 26 SEP 1828.
  2. 2.0 2.1 Findmypast. Britain, directories almanacs
    Pigot's Directory Wiltshire Image number: 8, 1848.

    Listed as Millwright and Landlord of the Three Horseshoes, at that time in Frome Road.

  3. 3.00 3.01 3.02 3.03 3.04 3.05 3.06 3.07 3.08 3.09 3.10 Edward Grist. Gristgen database
    28 April 1810.

    Baptism record

  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 England. 1841 Census Schedules for England and Wales, Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. (
    Kew, Richmond, Greater London TW9 4DU, United Kingdom:
    The National Archives (abbreviated TNA), formerly the UK General Register Office.)
    HO107-1166/2-40-6 , 1841.
  5. 5.0 5.1 England. 1851 Census Returns for England and Wales. (
    Kew, Richmond, Greater London TW9 4DU, United Kingdom:
    The National Archives (abbreviated TNA), formerly the UK General Register Office.)
    HO107-1841-110-046, 1851.
  6. 6.0 6.1 England. 1861 Census Schedules for England and Wales, Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. (
    Kew, Richmond, Greater London TW9 4DU, United Kingdom:
    The National Archives (abbreviated TNA), formerly the UK General Register Office.)
    RG9-1297-79-11, 1861.
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 England. England and Wales. 1871 Census Schedules. (
    Kew, Richmond, Greater London TW9 4DU, United Kingdom:
    The National Archives (abbreviated TNA), formerly the UK General Register Office.)
    RG10-2491-59-33, 1871.
  8. Wiltshire Family History Society. Wiltshire monumental inscriptions. (1991).
  9. Holy Trinity Church, Bradford on Avon.

    date from gravestone

  10. General Register Office. England and Wales Civil Registration Birth Index. (London, United Kingdom: General Register Office, 1837-Present)
    Bradford 23 247 , sep 1840.
  11. General Register Office. England and Wales Civil Registration Marriage Index. (London, England: General Register Office, 1837-Present)
    Bristol Volume no: 11 Page no: 153, sep 1842.
  12. England. Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. (FamilySearch, Ancestry.com, Findmypast)
    20 Sep 1843.

    https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JW9D-K8P Charles Fisher Grist in entry for Henry Charles Grist.

  13. 13.0 13.1 General Register Office. England and Wales Civil Registration Death Index. (London, United Kingdom: General Register Office, 1837-Present)
    Bath Volume 5C Page 468, MAR 1877.

    Age at death:78

  14. In the 1841 census it was common to round the ages of adults to the nearest 5 years, the enumerator of the page with Charles and family on seems to have exact ages for the children and the adults are all rounded to the nearest five years.